In this episode, I speak with Razi Berry, the founder and publisher of the award-winning journal Naturopathic Doctor News & Review, the International Journal of Naturopathic Medicine, and the authoritative Naturopathic medical resource for patients NaturalPath.net. She is the host of the successful consumer health events, the Natural Cancer Prevention Summit, the Heart Revolution, and the Sugar-Free Summer Detox Program. She has also co-owned a successful Naturopathic practice for 14 years, and, in 2017, was awarded the prestigious title of Champion of Naturopathic Medicine by the American Association of Naturopathic Physicians.
In this episode, Razi tells us about her personal transformational journey to healing her “broken heart” (she was close to dying from heart failure at the age of 14), why she considers love a form of medicine, why your intuition is important for health, and how you can start tuning into it.
- The Power Of Healthy Relationships, Why Love Is Medicine (And The Link Between Intuition And Health) W/ Razi Berry – Transcript
- Why love is important
- How relationships affect your health and lifespan
- Why disease may not be caused by inflammation
- How verbal aggression can affect health
- Why ”Love is Medicine”.
- What is intuition?
- How to create an intuition that tells you what is right vs what is pleasurable
- The Power Of Healthy Relationships, Why Love Is Medicine (And The Link Between Intuition And Health) W/ Razi Berry – Show Notes
In this podcast, Razi will cover
- Why love is medicine
- How your relationships can affect your health
- What is intuition?
- How childhood trauma can affect your health as an adult
- Why inflammation may not be less a cause of disease and more a symptom of the real root causes
- How to tune in to your intuition and learn what it’s telling you
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The Power Of Healthy Relationships, Why Love Is Medicine (And The Link Between Intuition And Health) W/ Razi Berry – Transcript
Ari Whitten: Everyone, this is Ari Whitten and welcome back to the Energy Blueprint Podcast. Today I am with my good friend, Razi Berry, who I am a big fan of. She’s doing amazing work as far as bringing attention to the benefits of Naturopathic medicine and also, I really personally love a lot of the stuff she’s written on interpersonal relationships, on love, on broken heart, on emotional trauma and kind of the science around that. I think she’s doing an absolutely amazing job of kind of bringing a scientific mind and kind of a physiological understanding of what’s happening in these sorts of things.
So her official bio is this. So she’s the founder and publisher of the award-winning journal Naturopathic Doctor News & Review, which is ndnr.com, the International Journal of Naturopathic Medicine, and the authoritative Naturopathic medical resource for patients NaturalPath.net.
She is the host of the successful consumer health events, the Natural Cancer Prevention Summit, the Heart Revolution, and the Sugar-Free Summer Detox Program. She has also Co-owned a successful Naturopathic practice for 14 years and in 2017 was awarded the prestigious title of Champion of Naturopathic Medicine by the American Association of Naturopathic Physicians. So welcome to the show Razi Berry.
Razi Berry: Thank you Ari. I am a huge fan of your work and the Energy Blueprint and I’m really honored that you invited me to be here and speak with you and your audience today. So thank you.
Ari Whitten: Yeah, well, thank you for doing such amazing work. I’m genuinely a fan of a lot of the stuff that you’ve written and as you know, you’re in my member’s Facebook group and you’ve seen me share a lot of your articles there. And so this is a very genuine thing. I’m not just fluffing it up, you know that I actually really truly love your work. So with that in mind, you know, one of the things that you’ve talked quite a bit about is relationships and love and, you know, kind of emotional trauma and broken heart and things of that nature.
And, you know, a lot of people talk about, when we talk about things like love and a broken heart, it’s often, we don’t use these things in a literal sense. They’re metaphorical and the understanding of how those kinds of metaphorical terms to describe an emotional state relate to, you know, actual, like what’s happening on a physiological level I think is not really well understood by most people.
So I would love for you to talk a bit about your story and you know. One of the things that you talk about is how you almost died as a young girl of a broken heart. And you talk about this as one of the major causes of death. So can you kind of explain a bit about your background and how you became interested in all of that?
Razi Berry: Yeah, absolutely. Well, at the time when I went through what I’ll share in a moment, I didn’t realize that heart disease was the leading cause of death in women globally. So, I had always assumed that breast cancer was because it’s what most talked about.
But, so I remember a few years back when I found out that it was heart disease, it was kind of an ”aha” moment for me coming back to my personal story of where I started this journey of really searching, where does healing come from and where does disease come from?
So when I was 14 years old, I was in the hospital and I was dying of heart failure. So heart failure is, it’s really when you’re, you know, in layman’s terms, it’s when your heart muscle just is weak and it can’t function anymore to regulate gas flow throughout your bloodstream and to help move the blood through.
And there’s really not a surgery. It’s not like a clogged artery. There’s not a medication that’s conventionally given. So I was in the hospital and I was 14, I was dying of heart disease and I was raised in this really strongly Catholic family. And so as we do in the Catholic tradition, when you’re born, you’re baptized and when someone’s actively dying, they’re given the Sacrament of Last Rites, which is basically like a baptism of death. So I had that. The priest came in and did the Last Rite ceremony. And a few days later, about two days later, my mother was bringing in my siblings to really say goodbye to me.
And, I remember hearing the doctor say to my mom, “You know, Mrs. Berry, this is such a shame because she’s doing it to herself.” And I was really not, I was in and out of consciousness, but I heard that so succinctly and I felt such tremendous shame and this is why I was dying of heart failure because I had an eating disorder. I had anorexia nervosa.
And, I later learned that that’s really a way, by making bad choices and not honoring ourselves, that we are kind of breaking our own hearts. So I am being a little bit tongue in cheek about this when I call it a broken heart. But really I think if we get away from the Cartesian mind, body duality and look more like Candace Pert, for instance, who believes that emotions are molecules of consciousness, a nonlocal consciousness that we all experience as humans.
That truly that was a way that I was sort of breaking my own heart. And it’s not really relevant to, I guess this Podcast, but I had a healing experience, like a peak spiritual experience in the hospital and I healed instantly. And I was able to leave the hospital without any intervention. So that was really tremendous.
And what that did for me, and set the stage for my future work, was it made me ask, “Well where does healing come from? ” Because the doctors in the intensive care unit of Phoenix Children’s Hospital were not able to save me. And prior to that, whenever we were ill, my mom, because I was in a very conventionally medically slanted household. So we took antibiotics like they were vitamins and we got all of our shots and were fully vaccinated and everything.
So I had always thought that healing comes from a doctor like this God-like figure doing something to you and that’s how you healed. And that didn’t happen this time. So with that experience, though, was, some people would call it a near death experience. I don’t really know how to label it, but it was a profound feeling of embodied love. It really was. And I don’t want to wax poetic about it. But what was most significant for me about this experience wasn’t some woo-woo-ness that happened, but it was when I fully felt back in to my physical self, I felt more present and more sensitive to my body and it made me keenly aware of my body and really want to pay attention.
And I think, and we can talk a little bit more about this later on, but I really believe that most all of disease comes from the fact that we are totally disconnected to our bodies. And a lot of theology and philosophy, leads us in this direction too because it’s always like, “This isn’t who we really are. We’re so much more than this. This isn’t our real home.” You know, I can go on and on with examples and I believe that it’s true. We are these amazing beings that there’s so much more than this, but not to the expense of forgetting that we are, you know, actively physical, sensing humans and that we have to pay keener attention to and understand our physiology.
That’s something I love about your work, Ari. I learned so much from just being even in your Facebook group because, so many people just don’t understand how their bodies work. And as children, they aren’t taught that. People don’t even understand what happens when you put food in their mouth. Most people, right? They don’t understand that. So I love that about your work. And I like to look at similar things, but to a perspective of, you know, “How are, how is my relationship with myself, the people in my life and just the world around me, how is that impacting my health and how am I co-creating my life, my health through that, really those relationships?”
Ari Whitten: Yeah. Beautiful. One question that I have actually, I know you kind of talked about this sort of spiritual experience that you had in the hospital almost in passing. And you’re kind of like, “I don’t want to go into all the details.” I think you even said it’s not that relevant to this Podcast, but I actually want to challenge you on that. I, at least me personally, and I assume lots of people listening are interested in some of the details of that experience.
It sounds to me almost like how a lot of people describe psychedelic journeys and this moment, this aha moment or this experience of oneness or everything being love. I’m just curious about some of the details around what actually happened that triggered that experience.
Razi Berry: Yeah, sure. I mean, I’m happy to talk about it. I just didn’t want to make any assumptions about, you know, some people aren’t comfortable with these conversations and I personally have not, aside from marijuana, I’ve never experienced any plant medicines. Like I’ve never done like Ayahuasca or Ibogaine. I’ve never done psilocybin or anything. And I think that those are all ways that people can and do achieve an experience that I had in the hospital. I really do believe that.
I believe that this energy in the earth’s consciousness. You know consciousness can be defined as anything that reacts to its environment. So really plants have consciousness, trees have consciousness and definitely herbs. So I’m a big advocate of plant medicine. And so the experience was this. I was, when the doctor said that kind of harsh statement and I felt very much shame. I suddenly was looking down on the doctor and my mom and my brother and it was a really interesting perspective, but it wasn’t like shocking. It was almost like it felt natural, and then I was suddenly just in this bright light. It was a feeling of light. The way I described it back then because I was only 14, was like being in the middle of a dewdrop and the sun was just kind of dazzling. You know, bouncing off every vortex of the dewdrop. Yeah. Like a dewdrop that, that’s the best way I can describe it.
And in that very eternal moment because it was, I’m sure it was a quick moment. No one really measured it, but I felt like I understood everything. I felt like it was just like such a feeling of like, “Oh, there’s, you know, there’s really, this makes so much sense now.” And it was so different, like the answers to everything was just there. The minute that you wondered it was like an understanding.
However, when I came back into my body, I’m not going to claim that any of that came with. I didn’t get to retain any of that. And that’s where I sometimes I’m reticent to talk about these issues because there are people who claim to come back with this like super like God-like knowledge. And I don’t really know that that’s what the human experience is supposed to be about.
So it was, there were beautiful sounds, but they didn’t really seem like the way you think of sound now. And there were colors that I can’t remember now, but I just remember that there were colors that I couldn’t see and you could kind of taste the sounds. And there was like this blending of senses. So it’s like, it wasn’t like you could see something, hear something, taste something. It’s like everything sort of all married into each other, so it was a rounder… Senses were rounder.
They kind of ran into each other and that’s about it. I mean, there are a few things that I keep to myself.
Ari Whitten: Sure. It’s always good to do that. Yeah, it’s interesting listening to you describe that. I’m very familiar with the scientific literature and the phenomenological literature. And for people who are not familiar with that word, it’s like, it’s basically a way of describing people’s subjective experiences in a particular kind of experience. So I’m very familiar with the literature on both near death experiences and psychedelic journeys. And at least with certain kinds of psychedelics there is actually a huge degree of overlap in the types of things that a person experiences.
And there’s like very particular patterns that emerge universally in almost everyone’s near-death experience and certain kinds of psychedelic or plant medicine experiences that, where there’s just an amazing amount of overlap in what you just described. There are a lot of elements there. The synesthesia is one aspect of it, the tunnel of light, the out of body moment where you feel like your consciousness is hovering above and you’re getting a different perspective and you’re looking down on what’s happening and yourself what’s happening around you.
You know, there’s a lot of elements of what you described that are similar across a lot of people’s reports. And I just find that, personally, I find it fascinating.
Razi Berry: Yeah. I love that you mentioned that in this way. Because I’ve often thought that it wasn’t the experience that healed me. I kind of think that it was… You know spontaneous healing happens, right? It happens.
It’s in the literature, it happens in cancer, it happens in Myasthenia Gravis, you know it happens. And I kind of think maybe what happened is my body for an unknown reason was having a spontaneous healing, and through the body doing that my consciousness experienced this event. And I kind of intuitively feel, I have no proof, but that it was like the chicken before the egg. If that makes sense. And I think that it could be… I mean, I think a lot of people that take different plant medicines and have these experiences that you described, they have healing occur from that.
So I think it makes sense, at least it feels like it to me that again, it wasn’t the experience that healed me. I think my body was healing and gave me this experience. I’ll never really know.
Why love is important
Ari Whitten: There’s one element that you mentioned previously that you didn’t mention this time around, which was kind of the big takeaway, which was this sort of experience of love as being of supreme importance.
Razi Berry: Oh, I’ve… This is something that I love and I struggle with because I haven’t found any scientists say that the, you know, the most basic element of life on our planet or in our universe is love. I mean they say Einstein said it, but then like Snopes and other places debunked that. But I really felt that at that moment. And I think that there’s something to be said about empirical evidence that it doesn’t necessarily have to happen in a placebo-controlled double-blind study for something to be true. I mean, you used the word phenomenology, which I love. I’m such a fan of the philosophical field of phenomenology that you’re probably familiar with this because I believe you’re a psychology major.
But you know, this idea that maybe what reality is what we experience and it’s ever-changing and it’s not static. And in health we’re always looking for this place where, “Okay, this is like a static picture of health.” But where in least the life that we experience, where is there ever stasis? Except for death, there is never stasis.
So I think that, again, I don’t mean to always step on the toes of Descartes, but I feel like some of his philosophy was really sort of adulterated. And then that became this wave of how we look at everything. Just the way we look at physics from a Newtonian perspective. But I really would love to see kind of a return to the phenomenological perspective. That, you know, what if what we experienced is reality and part of our experiencing it creates reality. And that’s the reason why we can’t ever know an ultimate truth because the ultimate truth is whatever we are doing and being, and having right now,
Ari Whitten: Right. Yeah. It’s a very interesting topic to get into this. And yeah, first of all, you’re right. I delved deeply in. I did a PhD program in clinical psychology and I had one course on, where I had a professor who was like super crazy into Western philosophy and he was like the strictest professor.
You had to know all of the different, you know, the history and the details of all the different Western philosophers. And you know, he was also very deep into kind of the scientific aspect of phenomenology and the philosophical aspect and you know. Anyway, one thing that you brought up there is this kind of idea like everything is love and yet, you know, there’s no way we’re going to quantify something like that, like a claim like that. First of all, can you measure love?
Like is there, can you put love under a microscope and find love molecules or something like that. The closest thing you could do is maybe put people into an FMRI scanner and kind of identify the brain regions that light up when a person is feeling what they would describe as love. Or you could take a blood sample when somebody is in that emotional state and then, you know, say, “Oh, it’s this oxytocin, or it’s this hormone or that hormone.” But you know, these are obviously just correlates of emotional state. You’re not measuring love itself.
But even though something like that is, like to say everything is love is totally outside of the realm of science. It’s at the same time very useful, potentially useful as a philosophy or as a way of looking at life for the individual, that you could probably quantify like the extent to which somebody believes something like that and then their disease outcomes, their longevity outcomes and so on. Versus somebody who, you know, has kind of an opposite outlook of the world. Do you know what I mean? So there’s kind of this…
Yes, there’s a big separation between quantifying something like that. But you can definitely quantify the usefulness of having that sort of experience and actually having an internalized belief system around, a kind of a value system or a way of looking at the world of philosophy around something like that.
Razi Berry: It’s true. And in science, like in quantum mechanics or quantum physics, we look for smaller and smaller quanta and we never can really arrive at anywhere. And I, in my fairy tale say that that is love. I was having dinner with a geologist who was studying really the origins of life from rocks up in Flagstaff, Arizona. He and his wife. And you know, so I love to have these, I love to ask these questions like, “Okay, well what is the origin of life?” Well, of course the big bang. It’s like, “Okay, well what caused the big bang?” And then you know, you go back so far until finally, “Okay, well what caused these gases and what caused this and where did that come from?”
And they’re like, “Well, we just don’t ask those questions.” And so I was like, “Well, what if the big bang was just like a cosmic orgasm?” Because, you know, I know that sounds crazy, but everywhere we look in nature, you know, cells dividing and constantly replicating and renewing or dying and rebirth, you know, to me, you know, why not call that love? Because, you know, we don’t really know what makes, you know, particles and waves behave that they do or even what they are made of.
Right? And there’s just, we can’t seem to get to the bottom of it. The deeper we look, the bigger it becomes.
Ari Whitten: Yeah. There’s also some magic that’s here. There’s some magic just in the fact that in this vast expanse of the universe on this one planet, there are conditions that were conducive to life and where there was just the right proportion of, you know, gases in the atmosphere of oxygen and nitrogen and the right elements on the planet. And, you know, the right sun and temperature conditions that were, that are not too extreme.
And, you know, all of these conditions are just right to be conducive to life and then at some point life emerged and then at some point life transformed into other forms of life. And then humans are sitting here with a human existence and able to have the consciousness to even be aware and ponder these sorts of questions. And, you know, I think there’s just a lot of layers of magic there that certainly, you know, science can describe how things happened. But there, you’re right that there is a point of a question of the origin that you can go back far enough into the sequence of events and keep asking, “Well, how did that happen and how did that happen and how did that happen and why did that happen?” And at a certain point there, there isn’t a good answer for it.
Razi Berry: It’s true. And I think about, so I like to read about physics and quantum mechanics and I know exbright. I like to say that I’m a student and I like to interject ideas and learn from others by asking questions. And there’s something called destructive interference and constructive interference. And you probably know a lot more about it. But when you think about, you know, two similar waves can come together, form a larger wave that’s constructive interference. They can be very dissimilar and it’s destructive interference.
Which makes me think about when two people kiss, you know, they, the more similar their microbiota is, the less attracted they’re going to be to each other because more diversity in your immune system makes for stronger offspring. So it creates this attraction to each other’s, you know, pheromones. And there’s chemo signaling that happens. And so I find that there are these amazing patterns between humans and something like blood cells or cancer cells or particles and waves or the moon and the moon cycles.
I feel like there’s this just beautiful pattern in all areas of life, whether it’s, you know, an astral body or like I said, a white blood cell. And I think that if we pay attention to those, we can get a lot more clues about who we are. And I really get excited about those things.
How relationships affect your health and lifespan
Ari Whitten: So I want to dig into stuff around relationships. And you kind of, I think what you just said is kind of a nice segue into that. Talk to me about how relationships, interpersonal relationships, romantic relationships affect our emotional health and our health more broadly, our physical health, diseases and longevity.
Razi Berry: Yes, definitely. So, you know, there are so many studies about early childhood trauma. I like to start with the idea of maternal attachment because I found a study that’s so interesting. I wonder if I can pull it up. But so what we mostly talk about with regard to maternal attachment, because within, in rat studies, and I hate talking about animal studies, but just being separated from between day three and day 12 of life of a rat, which is when you compare it to a human lifespan that’s like zero to three years in a human. Just a three-hour separation from the mother rat creates an amazing inflammatory response and it changes the microbiota in ways that are really similar in what they’ve seen in irritable bowel syndrome. And also with regard to serotonin levels. Now when most people think of serotonin, they think of mood.
But really serotonin is super important for wound healing, healthy bone growth, memory and sex drive, libido and things like that. So, and know the maternal instinct is, also, is sexual, not in a, you know, not in like like a, you know what I’m saying, it’s like people don’t think of it that way. But like breastfeeding, birth, all those things are sexual. It’s just not about like intercourse sexual. So it’s really amazing that we live in a society where we separate from, we separate the mother and the child so early on.
Like I was, unfortunately, twice, I had emergency C sections. And both times in the hospital they tried to take the baby away and not men and all that stuff. So we have generations of people who are separated from their mother or in a society where the mother has to go to work or we feel like in order for our child to get into Harvard, they have to go to school at age two.
And so one way I think that we’re causing a lot of psychological and physiological disease is the way we’ve kind of broken that natural maternal-child bond. But what’s interesting with regard to that also is it’s affecting the health of women as well because the study that I’m trying to find that I do have here shows that it is not the female hormones that affect maternal instinct and bonding but it is the act of mothering that mediates these hormones.
So when a mother brings the child to the breast or grooms the baby, you know, cleaning its fingernails, touching its skin, cuddling it, holding it. These are all things that have very dramatic physiological and hormonal responses and prime certain receptors like estrogen and oxytocin that stay sort of latent or unexercised, unused in women that have less time with their child.
And so it’s a really amazing synergistic interaction that affects health. And there’s been more and more studies, especially with regard to, like prenatal psychology.
There’s another amazing study that… So they had babies in a nursery room and some of the mothers went to go do a stressful task and some went to go do a pleasant task. Like some had to go pick up broken glass, trying to put things back together and things like that or to try to get a really arduous task done in a short period of time while doing many other things. And the other women were like doing pleasant activities. And when they came back the baby’s, not in direct response when the mother’s returned. But when the mother’s returned the children were already experiencing levels of stress with the mother that was doing a stressful activity. And they were, and the babies were content with the mothers that had been off doing a pleasant activity. Which goes back to the whole idea of entanglement theory, and there are researchers that are drawing the line between the two.
This idea of our relationships being, you know, physioconscious. So even when you’re in a relationship with someone, even when they’re away from you, you can be affected by them and vice versa. And it can affect your health.
Most of the studies show cytokine activation or deactivation and inflammation. And I have to say I’m not a fan of the whole inflammation paradigm. And you might disagree and you probably have great science to back it up. But I feel like that inflammation is just the black sheep or just like the whipping boy. And I think instead we need to look at what these experiences like early childhood trauma, and we can talk more about that, are doing to respiration and mitochondria and just all these other metabolic processes, and then the inflammation is a response to try to get the body to heal. I just had to say that because I feel like everywhere I go people are just blaming all disease on inflammation. Like it’s something random. Like it’s not really the inflammation in my estimation that’s causing even the heart disease… I mean loneliness is more, I’m sure you’ve read the study 100 times.
Loneliness is more detrimental to heart disease and cancer risk than smoking cigarettes and obesity as well.
Those are just harder to measure, but all of that is saying, well, because of the inflammatory response, I think we need to look behind the inflammation. And you do a lot of this in your work, look behind the inflammation and not a lot of people are doing that, Ari. So hats off to you for that.
Ari Whitten: Thank you
Why disease may not be caused by inflammation
Razi Berry: Are you like, make your eyes glaze over when everything is blamed on inflammation?
Ari Whitten: No, I actually agree with you 100 percent. Yes, there’s a huge amount of evidence linking inflammation with a wide variety of different things. And, but there’s also a lot of counter-evidence showing that, for example, like anti-inflammatory drug therapies don’t successfully prevent a lot of the diseases that are associated with inflammation, that is being blamed on inflammation, don’t extend lifespan, things like that. So you have to then consider the possibility that the inflammation you’re seeing is not the “cause of the problem.” But is a part of the body’s response, is, you could say it’s a correlate of the problem. It’s one of the physiological responses that happen when something is awry, when something, when there’s cellular damage is going on, or some, the physiology is not operating very well. There’s a wide variety of different scenarios where inflammation levels of various cytokines are going to be elevated in that scenario or CRP is going to be elevated. But I do agree that I think it’s a mistake to say that inflammation itself is the driver of all these different things.
So yes, I think that we have to look… Let me explain it this way. We have a tendency within allopathic conventional medicine to kind of look at things on a small level. We kind of like, okay, you look at the whole body. Let’s go a layer deeper. Now we’re looking at tissues. Maybe we can take some biopsies of tissues, look at them under a microscope and see that, you know, oh there’s some redness and there’s some microdamage in these muscle tissues or there’s some scarring of the liver tissue and so on, and then we say, “Oh, we found the problem. You know, this is the cause of this condition. It’s scarring of the liver tissue. That’s what causes liver disease.”
And then we go one layer deeper and we say, you know, “Let’s look at the cells and what’s going on in the cells and it’s this particular biochemical pathway or this receptor or this hormone or this neurotransmitter and so on.”
And once we have discovered, you know, we’ve measured what particular biochemicals are abnormal in any particular disease state. Then we say, “Ah, we’ve discovered the problem. It’s, you know, that this particular receptor is off. So let’s create a drug that affects this receptor in some way or blocks the synthesis of this particular chemical and so on.” And that’s kind of the whole paradigm.
But I think what needs to happen is once, it’s fine to understand things on that level and beneficial. But there needs to then be a zooming back out and people need to start saying, “What is the root cause of this particular pathway being disrupted or this particular neurotransmitter or this particular hormone or this particular receptor? Why is this thing off?” And then once you do that and you start looking at the lifestyle layer, you start going, you start finding all of these things, all of a sudden. “Oh, this particular food, you know, berries with anthocyanins, you know, or polyphenols affect this particular receptor and this neurotransmitter in this particular biochemical pathway. And, you know, circadian rhythm and sunlight exposure effects it. And red and near-infrared light affects it. And, you know, this aspect of diet affects it, and sleep affects it, and stress affects it, and exercise effects it and all, a hundred different aspects of your lifestyle effect all of these different biochemical pathways that are said to be the ’cause.'”
So, yeah, I think, you know, the kind of the whole paradigm that seeks to blame inflammation as the cause is very much making that same fundamental mistake. The question is what’s driving the inflammation in these cases? And I think you’re absolutely right, that loneliness, lack of community and friendship and the connection is certainly a huge aspect, a huge cause of that.
How verbal aggression can affect health
Razi Berry: It is. And you said that beautifully. So I’m, when I get the transcript I’m going to save what you just said. A great way to describe it.
And the body, you know, is really trying to do its work when it presents with inflammation. And then there’s something that’s preventing it from doing its proper job.
Another way, another cause, another thing that calls in inflammation is verbal aggression. And there are some studies with regard to verbal aggression versus verbal affection. And it’s really astounding to me because what the studies show is that verbal aggression, most of the studies are sort of sexist. They’re men against women or they are parents against children. So the verbal aggression has been shown to be more of an indicator of psychological damage.
So psychiatric illnesses like different nervous disorders, anxiety, panic, obsessive-compulsive disorders and things like that. And the verbal affection, lack of verbal affection seems to affect more of the HPA axis and the microbiome, which is really interesting.
But what the studies showed was that verbal affection does not compensate for the verbal aggression, if that makes sense. So what the studies are saying is you can’t just go back and say, “I’m so sorry I didn’t mean that,” or put the child in like a foster home. It’s a healthier situation, but it doesn’t overcome that damage.
Which shows that even though we are plastic and we heal, plastic, you know, meaning that we can change and grow and heal. These have very deleterious effects on our health and we have to really pay attention to the words that we choose.
And what I found even more astounding about that is, it’s like when you say, you know, find the root cause. One of the things I love in Naturopathic medicine is not just finding the root cause, but removing the obstacle to the cure. So it’s sort of not only what do you need, but what do you need to take away? And so in this case where the verbal aggression is causing this type of damage and lack of verbal affection is causing another type, you just can’t trade them off. They’re each really important and you need both.
Why ”Love is Medicine”.
Ari Whitten: Yeah, absolutely. So you’ve talked about a lot of aspects of how kind of interpersonal relationships affects our health. I know that you have a saying and I’ve seen you write this on your blog many times. In fact, your blog might even be titled this if I remember correctly. But you have a saying, “Love is medicine.” What do you mean by that?
Razi Berry: Well, it’s not rocket science what I’m about to say. But I feel like that, like if you think about obesity for instance. If we really were embodied and, you know, inside of who we are and really living who we were and loving ourselves, we wouldn’t allow our own house to catch on fire. Right? I think there’s so much of disease that we don’t want to shame people. So we try to take the blame away.
And I think it’s a big mistake. I think we need to, we’re at blame for a lot of our own illnesses and a lot of the illnesses of the planet. And to me, “love is medicine” means is, you know, so loving that you’re real with yourself. And you’re looking at the choices you’re making in your relationships, your relationship with your eating, with your sleeping, with your, with the people in your life, with the world around you.
And love isn’t always what’s doing the most fun thing. It’s what’s doing what’s right. And I think that’s the way that our bodies love us as well. In the Kabbalistic tradition and the Kabbalah, which is like this ancient wisdom kind of Jewish tradition, and in the Catholic tradition that I was raised in and I don’t really practice anymore, you know, it always goes back to love.
And in the Kabbalistic tradition, love is altruism, it’s just ever giving. And that is what our bodies are doing. That’s what the earth is doing. You know, it’s just constantly the cycle of fulfillment, fulfillment, fulfillment, growing, producing, recreating. And we are the ones that get in the way of that. And a lot of diseases is our body trying to compensate for what we’re doing wrong.
Whether it’s a chemical company dumping something in the ocean or whether it’s you choosing a bad food because you’ve adulterated your taste buds that you can’t taste the sweetness in lettuce and so you go for a doughnut.
And so love is medicine is getting in touch with your senses again. You know, sensuality is so much more than sexuality, although that’s a very important part of it. But just the way we essentially relate to ourselves and just our everyday experience. I mean, isn’t it fascinating, Ari, that some of the most simple activities of being human and that is, you know, coming together in community, eating food and growing it, working and sleeping, you know, the basic things that we do as humans have become arduous, difficult and confusing.
Like we’ve totally F’ed it up. And then we wonder like, “Why are we sick?” You know, the Journal of Pharmacological Research published a research review in 1991 or 1996, I can’t remember, that said that 90 to 95 percent. That’s a huge number, 90 to 95 percent. Like that’s never said anywhere in science, of all cancers are from lifestyle and environmental causes.
That’s basically saying that all but five to 10 percent of cancers are totally unnecessary. And we have to look at ourselves in a really deep and loving way and look at what the decisions we’re making. And that’s, you know, I don’t know how much time we have, but that’s to me where we’ve lost, our intuition. And, you know, our intuition is a normal physioconscious process of taking in data with all of our senses to make the right choices in every aspect of our life.
And it’s completely become flaccid. It’s a muscle that we just don’t know how to use anymore. And it’s because we are so distracted away from who we are.
Ari Whitten: I really love how you’re tying together the concept of love and intuition here. And you’re, you know, love is often framed as an outward thing and an interpersonal thing. And do you love this person? Do they love you? And that sort of thing.
But you’re kind of talking about it in a way, is where it’s like about loving yourself. And if, to love oneself is to make intelligent decisions about what kinds of things you do with your body and your brain and your mind as far as what kind of food you’re putting in and what you’re, how you’re spending your days and what kinds of emotional states you’re fostering and so on. With respect to keeping your body and brain healthy and functioning in the most optimal way. I love that you’re kind of framing all of that in the context of love.
Razi Berry: Yeah, I mean loving of another human being is wonderful, but it’s only one aspect of what love is. It’s just one way to experience that love. You know, I have written about this in my blog and you may or may not have read it, but you know, I was married for a long time and then I got divorced and I felt this kind of, I almost felt like it was a lack for a little while. Like, “Oh no. Like what does that mean about me as a mother, as a woman by not being in a relationship.” And I took two years off on purpose and decided not to date at all and just get to know myself, get to know Razi. Because I had been in a relationship consecutively since age 14, you know, just been in one like a long-term relationship. And in a long marriage, I’m totally pro-marriage.
Razi Berry: I’m not saying that. So no hate email. But, you know, I gut to fall in love with Razi. Like I can confidently say, I mean, I still have insecurities. I still have neuroses. I was nervous to be on this Podcast today. But I am in love with myself. I enjoy my company. And even when I’m just living in my suburban neighborhood now, just, you know, I do not like out in some adventure. I still feel like I’m living such a full life. And I’ve spent a couple of years really honing in and getting to understand and sort of detox all of my senses. And now I just feel like I have these moments. They’re not quite exactly what my peak experience was during that healing experience. But I do have these moments of such lucidity that I like, I could cry right now, just thinking about it. It’s crazy, but I feel like that, that is what all of our set point.
I mean, I bet most all of our ancestors felt that way. You know, there’s always going to be stresses in life, tigers and lions and lack of food or rain. But I have really been able to take this time and learn about myself, my physiology, my psychology, my consciousness. You know, I have a lot of questions I can’t answer and there’s a lot that I know nothing about. But just through that experience, I feel so alive. And, I think the work you do is so helpful in helping people to achieve that. I know it impacts my life and learning more things about my metabolism and my physiology and the work that I do want to bring people in to ask some of these questions. And intuition is a tool that we use to love and be loved and to be loving for sure.
What is intuition?
Ari Whitten: So let’s dig into that a bit more. So what do you mean by intuition exactly?
Razi Berry: Yeah, so let’s say what intuition isn’t first. First of all, intuition is not psychic ability. Psychic ability says that you can somehow get out of yourself and tell the future about something or someone else. I’m not psychic. I know people are, I’m just not and that’s not what I’m talking about when I say intuition. When I say intuition, I say that it is all of the different sections that we have, right? So interoception, which is our visceral knowing of things. Like our internal organs actually talk to each other and sometimes it’s through sites of neurotransmission and hormone transmission that’s really close and proximal and sometimes it’s distal and we don’t even know how it gets there, you know, because there’s dopamine produced in your gut and in your brain and it can affect distill in close areas.
So there’s the interoceptive ability that we’ve kind of lost. And there’s exteroception, which is everything that comes from outside of us and into us. And then there’s proprioception and magnetoreception. There’s so many, and I’m writing a book about all these.
But basically when we think of our senses, the way that we take in information from the world and each other, we don’t really think of like see, smell, taste, hear, whatever, touch. There are so many nuances to what we can do that we are so unfamiliar with. For instance, the idea of magnetoreception, so magnetic sense, there are many animals who are known to have a magnetic sense, so they can migrate and come back or they can orient themselves or face a certain way during certain times of the day. Or birds, you know, there are many animals and insects are known to have that.
And it has been discovered that the human retina has a protein in it that we’re now understanding has a magnetic sense. And so it can be used to, you know, know where we are and our place in the world. And if you take that into context of like HeartMath Institute, you know, the heart that we give up, the earth gives off a biofield. We have a biofield. The heart field can be measured four to six feet from our body. You know, our brain field can be measured as well. And so the magnetic sense is something that is starting to be explored a little bit more and understand like why do we have sometimes this sense of knowing to be at the right place at the right time, meeting somebody for the first time and having an instant understanding of them or friendship or love at first sight.
So there’s some neat research coming about that.
Our olfactory sense, our nose, you know, we think about just smelling if something smells good or if it doesn’t. And we’ve totally messed up our olfactory sense by, you know, we wear deodorant and we cloud the airwaves and sanitize everything. But there is so much more information that we get from our olfactory sense. And there are many studies on this, but one really interesting one is they bred rats for several generations. Again, I hate animal studies, but that’s how most of these things have been studied. And they were bred in absence of anything except for themselves, right? So no predators, no other animals or anything. Then they introduced like sweat and urine and other things from other animals. And when it was an animal that was traditionally predatory against mice, the mice would have these fearful postures and mannerisms. And when they introduced a scent or substance from an animal that wasn’t a predator, they would have different types of posturing.
So what they found is that you, through this chemosensing, the olfactory sense, you can find out information like the sex of another person or another rat, its fertility, its age, it’s, whether it’s sick or not, you know, if they, it’s just fascinating.
So, intuition, so I feel like without naming these, I think before we adulterated all of our senses with electric light and artificial flavors and walking, you know, not being on the Earth’s biofield, so walking with like rubber soled shoes and not walking on uneven surfaces and the list goes on. And you know I’m right about many of these things. We have lost this understanding and we’ve lost this intuition.
And to me, that’s what intuition is. It’s these physiological processes that are not totally understood, but we just instinctively were led through our, and move through the world and made decisions according. And I have to say that I have been practicing very deliberately, as I’ve been learning about this, and it has been a game changer with regard to the decisions that I make in my business, in my relationships, as a parent. And it’s not something that I know and someone else doesn’t like. We can all do this and it’s so exciting.
Ari Whitten: One of the things that I talk about in the context of some of the work that I do with fat loss and body composition change and also to some extent health and energy is teaching people to make decisions about how to eat in this particular moment that is not about the pleasure that you derive in this particular moment, but is about the pleasure that you derive into the future. So what I mean by that, to make it more concrete, is if I put in a donut into my mouth or ice cream into my mouth or pizza or something like that right now, I will derive an immense sense of pleasure. My brain’s pleasure, center reward center will light up very, very intensely and that will feel like an enormously pleasurable thing that I will want more of. And I will crave that, right? So I will have these sort of internal feelings and cravings that are compelling me to consume that. On the other hand, there are people who make decisions… So there are people who make decisions based on that.
There are also people who make decisions around, “I’m going to choose what I put into my mouth at this moment because 20 years from now, 30 years from now, I want to be, have a functional enough brain and body that I can run around with my grandkids and play and still be conscious enough to have good conversations, intelligent conversations with my family and friends and to go skiing with my children, you know, when I’m 75 and they’re in their forties or fifties.
And so, because I want those future goals, I’m going to choose what I put into my body at this moment to facilitate that instead of doing the things that would light up my brain’s reward center the most intensely in this moment.”
How to create an intuition that tells you what is right vs what is pleasurable
Razi Berry: Yeah. And that’s love right there I would say.
Ari Whitten: Yeah, but there’s also something that is, I guess what I’m saying is there’s an element when we start talking about intuition, in somebody who’s currently making decisions for short-term gratification, immediate gratification, and they’re doing things that are creating immediate gratification, but at the consequence of their long-term health and energy levels, etc. on body composition. How do they start to create an intuition around what’s the right decision that is stronger than that kind of biological urges and cravings for that immediate gratification at this moment?
Razi Berry: Yeah. Well, in those cravings I find, and I’d love to hear if you agree or not, that there is an element of anxiety even when it’s something that’s thought to be pleasurable, right? There’s an anxiety about it, like I’m craving this, you know, it’s kind of an exciting, but there’s an underlying anxiety. What I, because I used to be a sugar person, Ari, I really was and I also used to be a very anxiously attached person in relationships. That’s why I said I need two years because I would feel like I would lose myself, like in my marriage and relationships, I would cease to be me.
And I thought it was like, “Oh, but that’s love,” you know, but really there was this anxious, like this underlying anxiety. And what I like to do is teach people to journal or make a note of those feelings when they’re making those decisions.
Because when you are eating intuitively or moving intuitively, there’s like a natural ease about it. The problem is, you can’t help somebody strengthen their intuition if they don’t want to. It’s kind of like smoking cigarettes, right? Like I actually, I think we might’ve talked about this or emailed about this, but I used to be a hypnotherapist and I worked with people either in pain or wanting to quit smoking. And I found that the people that came to quit smoking, they just wanted to say to their partner or spouse, “Okay, I’ve tried everything including hypnosis.” Right?
So I feel like the people that are ready and really want to get more in touch with themselves, they’re ready to take a look at that. So for me, it’s that looking at the anxiety behind that desire to want something right now.
Ari Whitten: Yeah. Yeah. That’s interesting. There’s also an after the fact, negative emotional state. Guilt or shame, you know, I’ll give a quick example. I was just on a little vacation for the last 12 days or so with my wife and my son and my brother and his wife and we were going out to dinner a lot. And one of the restaurants we went to, there was one night where my brother and his wife, who are both very health conscious people, ordered, but they both ordered pasta dishes and they ordered a pizza.
And immediately after the meal, like within five minutes of finishing they were both like, “We shouldn’t have done that. That was way too much, way too much.” And they were like, “Now we need to walk home.” To walk back to their place was, you know, probably a 20-minute walk up some very steep hills. And they were like, “We are going to walk home now to undo what we just did to ourselves.” So there’s that kind of after the fact element of negative emotions of guilt or shame, this sort of knowing, intuitive knowing that you didn’t make a good decision. But sometimes that only comes after the bad decision instead of before it.
Razi Berry: Yeah. But I have to say for me it is all the times that I didn’t follow my intuition is how I started looking at patterns and that helped me start getting more in tune with it. So one of the things that I’m doing in my book is this kind of exercise where you making note of the times that you don’t follow your intuition. Because that is kind of the proof of how intuition is so intelligent. It’s your own body’s intelligence. But yeah, we all have experiences like that. But it’s when we make excuses for them that I think we don’t learn, you know. I mean even, you know, we were talking about some of this neat wisdom in the body, like, you know, the luminal canal of your digestive tract can actually taste. It doesn’t taste salty, sweet, bitter or sour the way that we do, but it tastes nutrients.
And it’s one of the reasons why we can eat like… You know, say we were eating some salmon and some kale and maybe some sweet potato. And like, we’re just like, “Oh, I couldn’t eat any more sweet potato, but I can eat some more of the salmon.”
It’s because your body, when you start paying attention, kind of knows when you’ve had enough of those nutrients and you need others. I think in this adulterated way it’s why people can eat, you know, a hamburger and stuff and be so full. But then they have room for like cheesecake. It’s like an adulteration of that process I think.
Ari Whitten: Yeah. Quick personal story. A few years ago I was in the Himalayas, trekking for about a month. And, you know, up there in the mountains, almost every meal is basically rice and lentils and like a curry sauce. Sometimes it has potatoes and carrots and greens in it, but rice and lentils, pretty much every meal. When, after a few weeks of that, we got down from the mountains and then we, my wife and I traveled to India. And we went to a coastal area in India called Varkala, not far from Goa if people are familiar with that. A really beautiful area of the coast in India. And we were both craving seafood like incredibly intensely. We just wanted like some delicious, like to be in the ocean, away from the mountains, to be at sea level instead of at altitude, to be eating fresh seafood.
And one of the things, you know, we were walking by in the first couple of days, walking by all these little restaurants on the cliff there. And seeing all these people with all the seafood that they have, kind of presented right along the boardwalk there. And you would see these beautiful fish and prawns and, you know, all kinds of great seafood. And they had this selection of prawns that just looked amazing, like jumbo tiger prawns. And one night we went to a restaurant and we just like absolutely binged on just an enormous amount of these tiger prawns. And the next day we remember walking along that that walkway and seeing, you know, all the seafood and the prawns presented. And like the thought of eating more prawns was nauseating. Literally it was like, “Get these prawns away from me. I’ve had enough.”
And there was some kind of intuitive reaction where the body was I think communicating. Maybe I’m wrong about this because I don’t think there’s any real science on this. But, my experience was that my body was intuitively communicating to me, “You’ve had enough of the nutrients in prawns. No more prawns for a while.”
Razi Berry: Yeah, I think that’s absolutely… You know there’s a lot of healthy cholesterol in prawns and all sorts of minerals. And you’re probably right. Like I say, like I understand why you say “I have no science for this” because you’re, you know, you’re a scientist and I’m not. But I think that, you know, we live inside our bodies, so like who’s to say that some scientist outside of us knows more about our bodies than we do.
So I would say, you know, we could probably figure out why. Like there is, you know, serotonin is involved with satiety and mood and, you know, maybe has something to do with HTP7. Like maybe we can map it all out someday. But you know, if you’re intuitively, I mean you live in communion with the earth and so you’ve definitely, I’m sure have a very keen sense of intuition.
So maybe somebody who goes to Dunkin’ Donuts and Starbucks every morning, I wouldn’t trust what they said about it. So you’re a 100 percent right on target on that.
Ari Whitten: Yeah. Well, you know, I mean again, that kind of the fact that, it’s this interesting sort of paradox, right? Like you’re saying intuition is incredibly powerful and important. And yet at the same time people have become so disconnected from their intuition that they don’t know how to use their intuition to make good decisions like that. I don’t think people can differentiate, like the example I gave before, from craving for donuts and ice cream versus the intuition of how to nurture your body and make good decisions that are, you know, kind of loving your body to keep your body and brain operating in the most healthy way.
Razi Berry: Yeah.
Ari Whitten: So how, you know, and I know you’re writing a book on this. So, and you mentioned one kind of way of journaling about this in passing. But what’s the broad landscape of how you recommend people to get back in touch with their intuition and start to use that as a skill and cultivate it to make better decisions in their life?
Razi Berry: Yeah. So I think that people try to get there by following these gurus, mindfulness. Like I’m not against mindfulness. But my little tagline is “embodiment is the new mindfulness.” Because your body is your mind. Your mind is not just in your brain because all of ourselves think and learn and make decisions. Really. We know that’s true. I mean your immune system has immunological memory, is like you can search that in PubMed, and it’ll come up millions of times. So, the first thing is that people need to stop looking for answers outside of themselves, following a guru. Sometimes that’s great to have people you admire, but to get back into like your own body. And there are little exercises I like them to do. Like these embodied meditations where instead of like closing your eyes and going somewhere, like imagining that you’re like, you know, in the ocean or whatever. That you sit and you really look and listen and feel very carefully in your environment.
So if we were to do one now, like I would notice the weight of my body on the chair and my feet, and my legs are crossed right now and I would feel what that feels like. And what does the sound of your voice sound like against, in my ears and a dog barking in the background. And what is the temperature, like maybe when the air conditioning comes on, I feel this coolness rush on this side of my body. And so I like people to do these meditations where they really pay attention to the colors. And you know that if you look from one thing to another, you can feel the muscles of your eyes move slightly. And exercises like that get you sort of trained to start feeling, you know, like feeling your eyes blinking, feeling your diaphragm move feeling your eyelashes touch when you blink.
And it’s very simple, but it’s an exercise that I think is really important. Then the other thing I teach, and you have a lot of this in the Energy Blueprint, is to get out of everything that adulterates your environment. So no scented candles, no perfumes or scented deodorants. You know, just all things like that, of course, getting into natural light as much as possible. No artificial flavors, so kind of a detoxing of all those things so you can start paying attention to those as well. And then just practicing, you know, keeping a journal of all the times that you didn’t follow your gut feeling is another way. And I feel like I just lost some of them. Some of them aren’t coming to me. I have many ways, but that’s a good start.
Ari Whitten: Yeah, I think the journaling aspect is key so that when you do make a bad decision like kind of like the example I gave a little while ago, and you make a note of that and then you can, you know, it isn’t just quickly forgotten. You can actually go back into your journal and remember some of those incidences. I think that probably helps the brain actually learn from those experiences so that you don’t just keep repeating the same mistake over and over again. You can actually start to make…
Razi Berry: Yeah. And one of the keys to being just, again, you do a lot of this, is explaining to people how these processes work. That’s what a lot of the book is. Because it’s like when I taught my children the simple story that digestion begins in your mouth when you chew your food and explaining to them, you know, if you eat this Halloween candy that you can’t have, or you eat this food, you know, what happens. And how it breaks down and how it assimilates and goes through your intestines and passes through the wall and goes into your bloodstream and passes through your heart and becomes your hair and your eyelashes and your skin. So when I explain these things in the book, my hopes are that it will do for others what it did for me. Is when I understood that, like for instance, we don’t just see with our eyes. There’s a type of site that we do through our skin that scientists have been studying.
Because there are photo receptors. And I’m not just talking about vitamin D synthesis. But there are photoreceptors that certain insects have that we find that humans have. And so there are ways that you see through your environment, through your skin. So when we aren’t in the natural light as much, or when we put things on our skin, that adulterate that or impede that, we’re affecting information gathering. And I think that, I’m hoping through the book when people read that and just by educating themselves how their body work, they’ll be more sensitive to these processes.
Ari Whitten: Yes. Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, there was a, just a relatively recent discovery within the last six months or year that our skin senses light as well. And we have melanopsin, we have this pigment that we thought was just in our eyes for a long time, is actually in our skin and is in our subcutaneous adipose tissue, our fat layer beneath the skin. And it actually regulates part of the metabolism of these fat cells. So, you know, I think the, there’s just so many layers and there’s probably 500 layers that haven’t even been discovered yet of how the human body is constantly sensing our environment. And I love how you framed this, you know, as how we’ve become disconnected from sensing all of these things properly. Like we douse ourselves in colognes and perfumes and then we disrupt our olfactory system so much that we can, our olfactory system can no longer properly detect what is a good chemical substance from one that is actually doing our bodies harm.
Razi Berry: Right? And we might even be choosing the wrong partner. You know, why did that relationship not work? Well, it sounds crazy, but it’s very possible that, you know, if you’re wearing perfume or you’re clogging up your pores with aluminum dioxide and he’s dousing himself in cologne, maybe you’re not really getting a true sense of who each other is.
Ari Whitten: Yeah. If you have any respect for the, like the true pheromone chemical signaling and the smells and the natural scents of the other person and, you know, kind of the harmony of people’s natural scent and whether they actually mesh or not, if that’s being affected by people’s own perfumes and colognes and the other person’s perfumes and colognes and then yeah, that’s an interesting thought. To like, to think if that is actually disrupting proper chemistry between two people.
Razi Berry: Yeah. It’s fascinating to think about. And like I said, I don’t have all the answers, but I love to explore these ideas.
Ari Whitten: Yeah. Beautiful. So your book is, what’s the topic of your book and when is it going to come out?
Razi Berry: So it’s going to be a while. It’s, I’m hoping to have a course out before that, but it’ll be spring of 2020. Just so, these things take time, you know, and you’ve got to get in line behind the other books that are being published. And congratulations to you on your book. Fantastic.
Ari Whitten: Well, thank you so much.
Razi Berry: Really well done. Yeah. So it’s going to be a little bit. But I’m, you know, blogging a little bit more about these things. And, like I said, I’m hoping to bring a course and maybe even a summit. We’ll see.
Ari Whitten: Yeah. Awesome. So your main website is, do you want to direct people to….
Razi Berry: Yeah, sure. My main website is NaturalPath.net. And so that’s where I have my blog and then other naturopaths, a Naturopathic doctor’s blog, too there. So, and you can find me on Instagram @raziberry.
Ari Whitten: Excellent. And your, is your main blog on the NaturalPath.net?
Razi Berry: Yeah.
Ari Whitten: Okay. Excellent. So to everyone listening, I highly, highly recommend following Razi’s work. Read her blog. She has just dozens of amazing articles on some of the topics that we’ve talked about today, on love, on interpersonal connection, on emotional trauma and, and things of that nature and how it’s affecting physical health. And I think she’s just doing a beautiful job of putting the pieces together on a lot of these subjects and I’ve really, really enjoyed this discussion as well. I love how you are tying together the concepts of love and self love and intuition and, how you’ve kind of developed ideas in that space so beautifully. So, Razi, thank you so much for your time. This has been an absolute pleasure and I hope to do it again soon.
Razi Berry: Oh, I’d love that, Ari. Thank you so much for your generosity and I’m really honored to be here. I’m a big fan, so thank you so much.
Ari Whitten: Yeah, I’m a fan of your work as well. Thank you, Razi. So NaturalPath.net is the website and go check out Razi’s work, everyone. Highly recommend it. Thank you for listening and tune in again next week. Thanks so much, Razi.
Razi Berry: Thanks, Ari.
The Power Of Healthy Relationships, Why Love Is Medicine (And The Link Between Intuition And Health) W/ Razi Berry – Show Notes
Why love is important ( 15:44)
How relationships affect your health and lifespan (24:31)
Why disease may not be caused by inflammation (30:28)
How verbal aggression can affect health (35:00)
Why ”Love is Medicine” (37:37)
What is intuition? (45:18)
How to create an intuition that tells you what is right vs what is pleasurable (52:36)
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